I hike daily and have gone through my fair share of hiking shoes. What I like about Lems is that their functionality competes with the high-end brands but they’re able to present the shoe as a sneaker. I’ve had chronic plantar fasciitis for years, so when I pick shoes, I really have to research to make sure I don’t buy something that messes up my feet. It’s why I like Lems Primal shoes. It’s also why I love these. For people complaining about the footbed and 4mm drop, I recommend trying them before knocking them. I have super wide feet with chronic foot conditions and see a podiatrist regularly for them and I’ve never been told that these 4mm drop were going to mess my feet up in anyway. Give em a try if you are on the fence. I can’t stop wearing mine and already bought a second pair.